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Kevin went to our local fancy schmancy cafe yesterday morning, called Elbows. He was trying to get away from distractions at home and found himself surrounded by mummies and screaming toddlers. The mother nearest to him asked the waitress:

"Can I have a little glass of milk?"

"Do you mean a babyccino?"

"Yes, a babyccino."

Later, another mother arrived and this time her own toddler ordered a babyccino.

Date: 2008-03-18 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aca.livejournal.com
See, I'd always assumed a babyccino was at least steamed milk, perhaps with chocolate sprinkles so the nipper doesn't feel left out. I sit corrected.

Yet one more reason to feel the middle-class shame. Hurray for inherited guilt. :)

Date: 2008-03-18 09:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
And a little spoon for them to stir the chocolate into the milk? ;-)

Date: 2008-03-18 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aca.livejournal.com
but of course! :)

Date: 2008-03-18 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] easterbunny.livejournal.com
See, this reminds me of the "Have a good one" days when you hate every customer so much that you refuse to give them just a plain cup of coffee and make them say words like "babyccino". Then again, nice people who asked nicely for a cup of coffee got a cup of coffee without hassle. Jerks who prefaced their order with, "Now I don't want any of your fancy-ass choco-mocho-cocoa-cinos, I just want a good hot cup of coffee, missie," they were whipped through the whole, "I'm sorry, sir, I can't serve you unless you tell me if you want dark or medium roast. African or South American? Nano or uber? Half & half, whole, skim, rice, soy...?"

The arch-nemesis of middle class guilt is middle class surliness.

Date: 2008-03-18 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturalbornkaos.livejournal.com
Hahahaha. That's hilarious.

Date: 2008-03-18 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olamina.livejournal.com
who can i slap? i have to slap someone for this.

Date: 2008-03-18 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
Google says you must slap Starbucks.

Date: 2008-03-18 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desayuno-ingles.livejournal.com
ah, god. ah, terrible. whyyyyy?

Date: 2008-03-18 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
From what I gather in Google, it's something Starbucks came up with.

Date: 2008-03-18 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desayuno-ingles.livejournal.com
oh jesus christ that's awful!!

Date: 2008-03-18 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] msanthropist.livejournal.com
I only hope they have a comparable selection for all the purse-puppies that must surely patronize their establishment with equal frequency?! Perhaps a puppyccino?!

Date: 2008-03-18 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeonflux.livejournal.com
I just threw up a little bit of milk in my mouth.

Date: 2008-03-18 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iejw.livejournal.com
I so hate the middle classes.

Which is awkward, as I am really very middle class myself.

But I count myself as Inteligencia, rather than Bourgeoisie. Which is a very important difference. It means I can like sourdough, but look down my nose at over-sized prams.

Date: 2008-03-18 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
I count myself as middle class sliding quickly into poverty.

Date: 2008-03-18 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iejw.livejournal.com
Wealth has nothing to do with it. Growing up, I was one of the poorest in my peer-group, but definitely one of the most middle-class…

Date: 2008-03-18 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
I think wealth has a little to do with it. You can't live in a shanty town and go about telling people you are middle-class! But I know what you mean - it's the education you have, and all that (which would make me royalty, actually.) :-)

Date: 2008-03-18 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iejw.livejournal.com
You need to read Watching the English, by Kate Fox. It’s a social anthropology of Englishness, and a lot of what it covers are class indicators. The fact that I was driven to school in a Lada made me much more middle class than those who were driven to school in BMWs…

Date: 2008-03-18 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
I've heard of Kate Fox. In fact, I have quite a few people on my LJ list who hate her... I so must read that book. ;-)

Date: 2008-03-18 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iejw.livejournal.com
Really?! Why do people hate her?!

Date: 2008-03-18 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
I can't remember the reasons. You'll have to ask [livejournal.com profile] easterbunny and [livejournal.com profile] nisaba.

Date: 2008-03-18 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nisaba.livejournal.com
Because she's contradictory, sneering, and a snob. She spend pages on how ties tell the difference in social class, yet repeatedly bleats that money is no indicator. Then contradicts her own argument by using examples in which money clearly is an indicator. Every example where she talks about "typical" class behaviour, if they involve objects/schooling/homes/etc, the upper class ones are expensive and the working class ones are not.

She bleats, repeatedly, that money is no indicator to class, I suspect because, as an academic, and the daughter of one, her family isn't loaded. But she wants to consider herself high up there. Fine, I agree money is not THE definining attribute, but I'll warrant money will give you a more accurate prediction than ties any day of the week.

The book's purpose should have been an interesting overview on English social behaviour, and some of it was. But it's ruined by the constant focus on social class, as far as I can tell used as a vehicle for her to air her own class prejudices and to look down upon those she considers below her. The phrase "chattering classes" nearly made me throw the book through a wall.

I couldn't finish the last few pages, because the air of smugness and grandeur of her own position was growing so rapidly that I wasn't sure I'd survive the apopolectic fit that would have ensued.

Um, in my own humble opinion, obviously ;)

Date: 2008-03-18 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iejw.livejournal.com
You just listed all the reasons why I loved it!

I read it on the tube two or three pages at a time over quite a protracted period, so think I missed the inconsistencies... But I'm happy to take your word for it! I did think it a little heavy on class difference though - but as that's something that fascinates me I wasn't too sorry about it...

I still think it's a great introduction to anyone struggling to understand the English psyche, though I do think that only the English can ever truly understand the English...

Date: 2008-03-19 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yearning.livejournal.com
this I need to write down somewhere for future reference!

Date: 2008-03-19 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
You on the same slip and slide as me? ;-)

Date: 2008-03-19 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yearning.livejournal.com
not right now because I live in a very middle class home with room and board provided but after July I can only see a big black hole (which I am actually looking forward to, maybe in a masochistic way).

Date: 2008-03-19 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
At least you have all those books, in case you need to sell something to raise cash.

Date: 2008-03-19 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yearning.livejournal.com
don't think I could make a lot of money with them. and I don't really want to sell them, everything I could give away, I did give away.

I don't mean I will hurl myself onto the streets of paris without any money, I am the kind of girl that always has at least three backups somewhere, but yeah, it'll definitely be different from my way of life now!

Date: 2008-03-19 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com
I'm sure you'll land on your feet. :-)

Date: 2008-03-18 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanda-mary.livejournal.com
Holy fuck.

Date: 2008-03-19 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevyn-kronycles.livejournal.com
That's just plain wrong on so many levels.

As a coffee shop an employee, I say

Date: 2008-03-19 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phyrephly.livejournal.com
Disgusting. What a disgrace.

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